Want older Medley / Interlisp-D versions with available emulators #489
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docker pull jgoerzen/dosbox https://eaasi.gitlab.io/eaasi_user_handbook/overview/demo.html# @fghalasz -- could this work with the online medley setup ? |
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Hi Interlispers,
I have managed to get medley/interlisp running on an Android phone using the Termux app. See attached screenshot.
If there is interest, I would be glad to share.
All the best,
Alexander
Am 27. Juli 2022 19:18:18 MESZ schrieb Larry Masinter ***@***.***>:
docker pull jgoerzen/dosbox
will get a docker image with a DOS/x86 emulator.
The [DOS repo](https://github.com/Interlisp/DOS/#readme) has [instructions](https://github.com/Interlisp/DOS/blob/main/DOS.md) on how to run DOS Medley on a DOS machine.
https://eaasi.gitlab.io/eaasi_user_handbook/overview/demo.html#
***@***.*** -- could this work with the online medley setup ?
***@***.*** has some experience with medley DOS
***@***.*** -- any ideas on getting this with eaasi?
… @alexshendi -- thanks for doing the work to get us this far.
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@alexshendi -- cool! Screenshot appears to be missing (neither in the e-mail nor in the github comment). |
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Hi Interlispers (again),
I suspect the attached screenshot was somehow removed. I have uploaded it to my Google Drive.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Bl_n6nFItq5WJJRVP8Q-MGDi9jAxrtYs/view?usp=drivesdk
I have already prepared a patch for the stuff in maiko/src. As already Nick has shown some interest, I will also write down some instructions on which software to install and how to compile.
But that's for tomorrow.
All the best,
Alexander
Am 27. Juli 2022 23:28:53 MESZ schrieb Nick Briggs ***@***.***>:
***@***.*** -- cool! Screenshot appears to be missing (neither in the e-mail nor in the github comment).
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Thanks. Yeah, if you share the patch (or github branch) I'll look at incorporating it. |
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Hi Interlispers,
here is a short writeup on how to run maiko on your Android phone or tablet.
1. What is Termux?
Termux is an Android terminal emulator and Linux environment application that works directly with no rooting or setup required. A minimal base system is installed automatically, additional packages are available using the package manager.
[from the Termux wiki https://wiki.termux.com/wiki/Main_Page]
i should add that the environment uses Android's libc ("Bionic") rather than glibc.
Further info can be found on the Termux wiki.
2. What software do I need?
2.1 On the Android side
You need:
* a VNC viewer, you can obtain this from the Play Store. I used MultiVNC.
* The Termux environment. This must be obtained from the F-Droid app store, as the version from Google Play is no longer supported.
2.2 On the Termux side
* pkg install build-essential libx11 xorg-xproto tigervnc dbus
3. Compiling maiko
Apply the patch and copy the file gethostid.c to <maiko-toplevel-dir>/src. Both files can be found under:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EXIigJdSGXFyGQgtm8SsPFN97Ton0kpt
Compile with:
cd <maiko-toplevel-dir>/bin ; ./makeright x
Execute:
dbus-uuidgen > $PREFIX/etc/machine-id
You should now install the medley loadups and runtime.
4. Running Medley/Interlisp
vncserver -localhost
export DISPLAY=:1
cd <medley-toplevel-dir>
# Switch to the Androud Home screen and start the VNC viewer. Configure it to use port 5901.
./run-medley
I hope this is useful to someone.
Have a nice weekend.
All the best,
Alexander
Am 28. Juli 2022 00:33:38 MESZ schrieb Nick Briggs ***@***.***>:
…Thanks. Yeah, if you share the patch (or github branch) I'll look at incorporating it.
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Hi Alex —
Could you send me the output from
gcc -dM -E - < /dev/null
for your Termux environment. We should update the inc/maiko/platform.h and I would prefer not to reintroduce platform specific #ifdefs outside of there if possible.
However: It looks as though the Bionic library provides one or both of posix_memalign() and aligned_alloc(), so we should update to use one of those on all platforms rather than valloc().
I think that gethostid() is rather past its prime — it’s only called to provide a 32-bit value to fill in the hardware serial number in the emulator’s interface page (which nothing depends on) and as an informational item when describing the system.
I think I can easily get the code to the point where there are no dependencies on Bionic/glibc/[vendor]libc differences.
— Nick
… On Jul 29, 2022, at 10:11 AM, alexshendi ***@***.***> wrote
Hi Interlispers,
here is a short writeup on how to run maiko on your Android phone or tablet.
1. What is Termux?
Termux is an Android terminal emulator and Linux environment application that works directly with no rooting or setup required. A minimal base system is installed automatically, additional packages are available using the package manager.
[from the Termux wiki https://wiki.termux.com/wiki/Main_Page]
i should add that the environment uses Android's libc ("Bionic") rather than glibc.
Further info can be found on the Termux wiki.
2. What software do I need?
2.1 On the Android side
You need:
* a VNC viewer, you can obtain this from the Play Store. I used MultiVNC.
* The Termux environment. This must be obtained from the F-Droid app store, as the version from Google Play is no longer supported.
2.2 On the Termux side
* pkg install build-essential libx11 xorg-xproto tigervnc dbus
3. Compiling maiko
Apply the patch and copy the file gethostid.c to <maiko-toplevel-dir>/src. Both files can be found under:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EXIigJdSGXFyGQgtm8SsPFN97Ton0kpt
Compile with:
cd <maiko-toplevel-dir>/bin ; ./makeright x
Execute:
dbus-uuidgen > $PREFIX/etc/machine-id
You should now install the medley loadups and runtime.
4. Running Medley/Interlisp
vncserver -localhost
export DISPLAY=:1
cd <medley-toplevel-dir>
# Switch to the Androud Home screen and start the VNC viewer. Configure it to use port 5901.
./run-medley
I hope this is useful to someone.
Have a nice weekend.
All the best,
Alexander
Am 28. Juli 2022 00:33:38 MESZ schrieb Nick Briggs ***@***.***>:
>Thanks. Yeah, if you share the patch (or github branch) I'll look at incorporating it.
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Ok, here is the requested output. BTW the compiler id clang14, not gcc:
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Am 29. Juli 2022 20:25:45 MESZ schrieb Nick Briggs ***@***.***>:
Hi Alex —
Could you send me the output from
gcc -dM -E - < /dev/null
for your Termux environment. We should update the inc/maiko/platform.h and I would prefer not to reintroduce platform specific #ifdefs outside of there if possible.
However: It looks as though the Bionic library provides one or both of posix_memalign() and aligned_alloc(), so we should update to use one of those on all platforms rather than valloc().
I think that gethostid() is rather past its prime — it’s only called to provide a 32-bit value to fill in the hardware serial number in the emulator’s interface page (which nothing depends on) and as an informational item when describing the system.
I think I can easily get the code to the point where there are no dependencies on Bionic/glibc/[vendor]libc differences.
— Nick
> On Jul 29, 2022, at 10:11 AM, alexshendi ***@***.***> wrote
> >
> >
> Hi Interlispers,
> >
> here is a short writeup on how to run maiko on your Android phone or tablet.
> >
> 1. What is Termux?
> >
> Termux is an Android terminal emulator and Linux environment application that works directly with no rooting or setup required. A minimal base system is installed automatically, additional packages are available using the package manager.
> [from the Termux wiki https://wiki.termux.com/wiki/Main_Page]
> >
> i should add that the environment uses Android's libc ("Bionic") rather than glibc.
> >
> Further info can be found on the Termux wiki.
> >
> 2. What software do I need?
> >
> 2.1 On the Android side
> You need:
> * a VNC viewer, you can obtain this from the Play Store. I used MultiVNC.
> * The Termux environment. This must be obtained from the F-Droid app store, as the version from Google Play is no longer supported.
> 2.2 On the Termux side
> * pkg install build-essential libx11 xorg-xproto tigervnc dbus
> >
> 3. Compiling maiko
> >
> Apply the patch and copy the file gethostid.c to <maiko-toplevel-dir>/src. Both files can be found under: >
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EXIigJdSGXFyGQgtm8SsPFN97Ton0kpt
> >
> Compile with:
> cd <maiko-toplevel-dir>/bin ; ./makeright x
> >
> Execute:
> dbus-uuidgen > $PREFIX/etc/machine-id
> >
> You should now install the medley loadups and runtime.
> >
> 4. Running Medley/Interlisp
> >
> vncserver -localhost
> export DISPLAY=:1 >
> cd <medley-toplevel-dir>
> # Switch to the Androud Home screen and start the VNC viewer. Configure it to use port 5901.
> ./run-medley
> >
> >
> I hope this is useful to someone. >
> >
> Have a nice weekend.
> >
> All the best,
> >
> Alexander
> >
> >
> Am 28. Juli 2022 00:33:38 MESZ schrieb Nick Briggs ***@***.***>:
> >Thanks. Yeah, if you share the patch (or github branch) I'll look at incorporating it.
> >
> >
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Perfect, thanks. We’re about half clang, half gcc, and one system that I know of that’s using Solaris studio compilers on Solaris 11.4
… On Jul 29, 2022, at 1:15 PM, alexshendi ***@***.***> wrote:
Ok, here is the requested output. BTW the compiler id clang14, not gcc:
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Am 29. Juli 2022 20:25:45 MESZ schrieb Nick Briggs ***@***.***>:
>Hi Alex —
>
>
>
>Could you send me the output from
>
>
>
> gcc -dM -E - < /dev/null
>
>
>
>for your Termux environment. We should update the inc/maiko/platform.h and I would prefer not to reintroduce platform specific #ifdefs outside of there if possible.
>
>
>
>However: It looks as though the Bionic library provides one or both of posix_memalign() and aligned_alloc(), so we should update to use one of those on all platforms rather than valloc().
>
>I think that gethostid() is rather past its prime — it’s only called to provide a 32-bit value to fill in the hardware serial number in the emulator’s interface page (which nothing depends on) and as an informational item when describing the system.
>
>
>
>I think I can easily get the code to the point where there are no dependencies on Bionic/glibc/[vendor]libc differences.
>
>
>
>— Nick
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Jul 29, 2022, at 10:11 AM, alexshendi ***@***.***> wrote
>
>> >
>> >
>> Hi Interlispers,
>
>> >
>> here is a short writeup on how to run maiko on your Android phone or tablet.
>
>> >
>> 1. What is Termux?
>
>> >
>> Termux is an Android terminal emulator and Linux environment application that works directly with no rooting or setup required. A minimal base system is installed automatically, additional packages are available using the package manager.
>
>> [from the Termux wiki https://wiki.termux.com/wiki/Main_Page]
>
>> >
>> i should add that the environment uses Android's libc ("Bionic") rather than glibc.
>
>> >
>> Further info can be found on the Termux wiki.
>
>> >
>> 2. What software do I need?
>
>> >
>> 2.1 On the Android side
>
>> You need:
>
>> * a VNC viewer, you can obtain this from the Play Store. I used MultiVNC.
>
>> * The Termux environment. This must be obtained from the F-Droid app store, as the version from Google Play is no longer supported.
>
>> 2.2 On the Termux side
>
>> * pkg install build-essential libx11 xorg-xproto tigervnc dbus
>
>> >
>> 3. Compiling maiko
>
>> >
>> Apply the patch and copy the file gethostid.c to <maiko-toplevel-dir>/src. Both files can be found under: >
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EXIigJdSGXFyGQgtm8SsPFN97Ton0kpt
>
>> >
>> Compile with:
>
>> cd <maiko-toplevel-dir>/bin ; ./makeright x
>
>> >
>> Execute:
>
>> dbus-uuidgen > $PREFIX/etc/machine-id
>
>> >
>> You should now install the medley loadups and runtime.
>
>> >
>> 4. Running Medley/Interlisp
>
>> >
>> vncserver -localhost
>
>> export DISPLAY=:1 >
>> cd <medley-toplevel-dir>
>
>> # Switch to the Androud Home screen and start the VNC viewer. Configure it to use port 5901.
>
>> ./run-medley
>
>> >
>> >
>> I hope this is useful to someone. >
>> >
>> Have a nice weekend.
>
>> >
>> All the best,
>
>> >
>> Alexander
>
>> >
>> >
>> Am 28. Juli 2022 00:33:38 MESZ schrieb Nick Briggs ***@***.***>:
>
>> >Thanks. Yeah, if you share the patch (or github branch) I'll look at incorporating it.
>
>> >
>
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Wasn't sure where to put these notes, but this issue is a start. There is also Interlisp-10 for the TENEX, TOPS-20 systems Here's how I got Interlisp-10 to run on my Sun T4-1 SPARC machine running Solaris 11.4. I got the KLH10 PDP-10 emulator from here:https://github.com/PDP-10/klh10. Follow the directions in install.txt to compile the emulator. To start the PDP-10: denber@hemlock:/opt/klh10$ ./kn10-kl ./inst-klt20.ini This starts the machine (with a long list of configuration questions that I've omitted here) and eventually boots TOPS-20. Set up your terminal: $ TER NO RAI (enable lowercase) $ set term VT100 $ enable (get access to all commands) Make yourself an account: $ build <denber> $$ permanent infinity $$ enable $$ wheel $$ <CR> $ Make a subdirectory for Lisp: $ build <LISP> $$ permanent infinity $$ enable $$ wheel $$ <CR> $ Unzip the tape file and place it in your KLH10 directory on the host, then in the emulator mount the tape: $ ^<span> (You type CTRL-\ here) $[HALTED: FE interrupt]
KLH10> devmount mta0 decuslib20-01.tap Mount requested: "decuslib20-01.tap" KLH10> [mta0: Tape online] c (You type c for continue) Continuing KN10 at loc 01047516... $Now read the two files from the tape: $ dumper DUMPER> rew (it wants a device spec, so next tell it) mta0: DUMPER> transfer <DECUS20-0004>NETLISP.SAV NETLISP.SAV. Loading files into PS: End of tape. DUMPER> rew mta0: DUMPER> transfer <DECUS20-0004>BOOT.SAV BOOT.SAV. Loading files into PS: End of tape.
DUMPER>exit (copy netlisp.sav and boot.sav to <LISP>) $ copy netlisp.sav <LISP> $ copy boot.sav <LISP> Now finally we can start Lisp: $run <LISP>netlisp.sav
It will complain about missing two files, TOPS20.RELEASE and TOPS20.RELEASEINTERLISP-10. I haven't found them yet but their absence doesn't seem to hurt anything. You should then see the Interlisp "_" prompt (supposed to be a left arrow). _T T 5 + 4 9 etc. That's it. When done, just ^C to exit Interlisp. There's a good user's guide to TOPS-20 here: http://www.bourguet.org/v2/pdp10/index If you want to read in source files from elsewhere in Lisp, I think you'll need to turn them into virtual tapes and read those in with dumper. I don't think KLH10 supports the Virtualbox notion of shared folders. There's a good description of how to do this here: https://www.pcjs.org/software/dec/pdp10/tapes/ There may be some way to do this using a network connection in KLH10 but I haven't figured that out yet.
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There's also sdf.org -- you can |
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The TWenex implementation compared to the latest medley, to show both stability, backward compatibility' (or not). |
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This issue has two topics and I'm trying to separate them by putting Android in a separate issue and leaving this one about Interlisp-10. I found this: |
i am experimenting a bit on my side with connecting my Dodo XNS services with some Xerox Interlisp systems. So far it works only with Lyric and Medley-1.0 running in the DarkStar emulator. Connecting with others than that fails for diverse reasons... (remark: i am not a Lisp programmer in any way, my knowledge on how to use the Interlisp systems stems from browsing the Primer and some other PDFs found at Bitsavers, allowing me to enter very basic commands in an Interlisp-Executive window) DarkStar with Lyric or Medley-1.0 For this, i use DarkStar 1.1.9.0 connecting directly to the Nethub (in a nutshell: the software equivalent of the thick yellow coax cable in the 80-ies) and the disk images for Lyric and Medley provided with DarkStar. My standard command to check if network access to XNS (Dodo installation in and then see if files are listed. I had to experiment a bit with the lower level setup for the SPP protocol, as Interlisp seems to have a nasty behavior when listing large directories: when the Executive window lists a page height of files, it inverts to signal it is waiting for the user to do a "return" to display the next lines, but while the Executive waits, the SPP connection (more precisely the bulk-data transfer from server to workstation) seems to be blocked, not accepting more packets until the user presses "return" and apparently not even responding to system packets querying the packet queuing state! In the default setup, Dodo attempts a few packet resends and then considers the connection dead if no responses come back for system packets, so i had to increase the resend delays and max. resends to keep the connection alive for a reasonable time until the user decides to have stared long enough on the screen... So at least the following XNS functions work for Lyric and Medley-1.0 on DarkStar: finding the clearinghouse, authenticate an user, find a file service entry in the clearinghouse and get its address, connect to the file service and list files. Here's a screen shot: DarkStar with other disk images
Maiko I looked at Maiko and Medley at the interlisp.org site. Not knowing how to activate networking, i looked in the sources to see how to try that and found the "ether.c" module, but reading through it (specifically all the #ifdefs) i understood that networking only works on Sun machines (and probably specific OS versions only?). Not having such a machine (neither hardware nor emulation with a matching OS version), i postponed networking with Maiko. Are there any plans to extend network support to a standard intel/amd-cpu based linux in some more or less near future? Ok, so much for my investigations on networking with Interlisp. Greetings from Berlin Originally posted by @devhawala in devhawala/dodo#8 (comment) |
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Did Medley or Interlisp-D even ran on the Alto? I always thought the machine's limited RAM and resources allowed it to run only earlier Lisp versions such as DLisp(?). |
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DLisp was Interlisp-10 (on Maxc emulating a PDP-10) connected to an Alto running a (PUP) net connection to an Alto. AltoLisp turned into Dorado Lisp. There are references / papers in the Zotero bibliography. |
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For AltoLisp for DLisp |
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It would be useful for both debugging and archival purposes to be able easily to run Older systems on modern hardware
These all work but we need to collect together the software or pointers and instructions.
The Interlisp/DOS repo was set up for the first,
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